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  • Chava May 2011
    Posts: 45
    Ahoj Petře, prosím, objasni mi celé pozadí Čitánandovy kampaně.
    Hallo Petr, please, clear me up all the backroung of Citananda´s campaign.
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] May 2011
    Posts: 0
    Petr,
    as you are from Prague, do you know anything about Prague ashram as it was described by Chava and Roman. It is the first time I have heard of it now at this forum and for me this is more unbeliavable as the sex stuff. Is it true that swAmi was adopted from the Chec lady when he was 50y old as her adopt, fighting for heritage on the court ?!?
  • Chava May 2011
    Posts: 45
    I will give you just some more facts - her name was Jarmila Jirásková, in yoga known as Mataji. She was widow, her husband who died was named Jirasek. He was working for Swissair (not 100% sure... only 90% It was airlane company) They lived in Vostrovská 19, Prague 6 and now there is a yogacentre there. swAmi explaned it that he has his real mohter in India but when he is in Europe, he has Mataji instead of his mother, who is so far. Both women knows each other, I remember a photo, where they are hugging each other.
    To the court... I wasn´t there. I only know that swAmi privatly said in Znojemska yogacentre, that he has to go to the court because of Mataji´s daughter, that she sees the possibility to get some money.
    I don´t know if Mataji intention was to give villa to daugher of here husband or to swAmi or to split it between them.
    I know only, that when she return from Bali, where she went to burried a dust of Rodi, man who was were closed to her she started to be ill and she died within one week from the time they hospitalized her. Her muscles were paralyzed and if she wanted to make any testament she didn´t have time.
    On the other hand she was very precize woman so I suspect she had everything around her testament already aranged before she became ill. What was in the testament I don´t know, of course.
  • Roman May 2011
    Posts: 347
    She actually really liked me and we spoke many times about all kinds of things. She told me that she was planning on changing her will before all actually happened and also about the plan - imagine how he is smart, he came up with this idea - about the adoption. She told me many other things, especially about money. She loved to talk about money.

    Now to the other part. Peter, you are calling me a “mystificator” and a bitter ex-swami beside all the other things. Well, you can have any opinion about me as you like. That won't change a thing. You did not provide any kind of real fact. I and many others did. Stick to basics.

    Chava, if you get a chance can you translate Peter's comment into English? If you won't have time I will do it tonight. Thx.
  • truthseeker May 2011
    Posts: 541
    On http://www.esoterikforum.at/forum/showthread.php?t=149397&page=63 there is a new post in German:

    "Hallo erstmal, ich weiss nicht ob Ihr es schon wusstet.....

    Noch mehr Swami Geschichten. ACHTUNG es wird noch ekliger.
    2005 wurde ein Swami (enger Schüler) von der Polizei dabei erwischt wie er in einem Internetcaffee KINDERPORNOS auf einen Laptop lud. Nachdem er die Geschichte seinem Meister beichtete verhängte dieser strengstes stillschweigen über die Sache. Aber die Wahrheit will ans Licht!! Alles konstruiert? Alles Polizeibekannt und beweisbar. Wir können nicht starke Techniken üben um aufzuwachen, die Augen zu öffnen und gleichzeitig versuchen weiter zu schlafen. Wir müssen hinschauen und die Chance erkennen. Wir können jetzt abnabeln und erwachsen werden.
    Ps.
    Den Namen des Swamis werde ich nicht nennen"

    Translation:

    "First hallo, I don't know if you are already aware.....

    Yet more Swami stories. BEWARE it becomes even more disgusting.
    In 2005 a Swami (close disciple) was captured by the police while downloading
    CHILD PORN on his laptop at an internetcafe. After he told the story to his master, the master kept complete silence about it. But the truth will come to light! Everything constructed?
    Everything's known by the police and there is evidence. We can't practice strong techniques to wake up and open our eyes and at the same time try to sleep further.
    We must look and recognize the chance. We can cut the cord and grow up.
    PS
    The name of the Swami I won't reveal"

  • SunYaC May 2011
    Posts: 41
    I'd like to ask people who don't believe those allegations and say that it is only "smearing camapign" of ex swami Citananda: Can you tell why someone who was swAmi's follower and disciple for 20 years would all of a sudden do such things?
  • truthseeker May 2011
    Posts: 541
    Reminds me of the catholic church keeping paedophiles undercover.
  • Durchanand May 2011
    Posts: 74
    @truthseeker and all:

    I have a few more details for that story, I know the name of the Swami and the Swami also knows since a week that I know about it. I got it from three different sides independently. As far as I know it was not movies but pictures of 11-12 year old girls - some only naked and some in hardcoreporn positions.

    This wonderful Swami wrote to me after I sent my statement to a list of Yidl north america people who also did not want to hear about my lies: ..."you are even worse/more evil than Chidanand..." I must say slowly I feel honored to be one fo the bad guys here. And I wrote him back. I keep the tension high by just posting this - the rest will follow...you know i like to post anonymized mails - but then it will not be like that...
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] May 2011
    Posts: 0
    To Chava:
    Nevládnu tak dobře angličtinou, ale pokud se ti bude chtít, budu rád za překlad mého dopisu Romanovi - i proto, aby tu nevisel nějaký paskvil z Google translatoru. Tvé nahoře uvedené obecné informace o Matadží vypadají objektivně a nesnažíš se s nimi někoho manipulovat. To oceňuji. Tímto se dostávám k Romanovi. To Roman: To co jsem napsal, jsem napsal, protože jsem tě poznal a také vidím co děláš. Takže se jedná o mou osobní zkušenost. Na proti tomu, jak ty můžeš napsat, že Ty a "Ostatní" poskytujete reálná fakta?? Podepsal se snad někdo pod ta "prohlášení" svými skutečnými jmény a adresami tak, aby se druhá strana mohla třeba právně bránit?? NE. Takže pokud jsme rozumní a slušní lidé, tak se tu o "realných faktech" bavit nemůžeme - v tomhle stadiu jde tedy pouze o pomluvy a ty to moc dobře víš. Permanentní výmluvy těchto údajných dospělých "obětí" kvůli zachování soukromí atd. už nejdou brát vážně. Chápal bych to v případě, pokud by šlo momentálně o hodně nezletilé, tak jako při skandálech v katolické círki, kde ty děti měli léta strach a ozvali se až když byli dospělé a mohli se k té tragedii postavit čelem právním způsobem. Takže současná věrohodnost "svědectví" proti swAmimu je proto nulová a ty rozšiřuješ a přiživuješ pouze pomluvy, což je v právním světě trestné. To Chava: pokud bys mohla přeložit i tohle, budu ti vděčný. Děkuji. Petr
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] May 2011
    Posts: 0
    To Chava: Děkuji předem i za tento překlad. P.

    Romane,
    byl jsem s tebou kdysi v Indii, ale to s tebou byla ještě řeč.
    Sleduji tě v poslední době a tvé výlevy - jsi nechutný mystifikátor a hlavním důvodem toho je (i když si to nepřiznáš), že jsi zhrzený, zklamaný a neúspěšný exsvámí.
    Stydím se za to, že takový nevděčný ztroskotanec jako jsi ty, je také Čech. Nemáš vůbec ponětí, kvůli čemu doopravdy spustil Čitánand svoji očerňovací kampaň a ty ho teď v tom ještě hloupě a trapně podporuješ. Jednou se budeš kousat do jazyka až se dozvíš motivy a celé pozadí Čitánandovy kampaně.

    Petr
  • Chava May 2011
    Posts: 45
    translation of the first message from Peter to Roman:
    Roman,
    I have been with you in India long time ago, in that time it was possible to speak with you.
    I am observing you in last time and your outbursts - you are disgusting mystificator and the mail reason for it is (even though you don´t admit it to yourself), that you are lovelorn, disappointed and unsuccessful ex-swami.
    I am ashamed of that such an ungateful loser as you is also Czech. You don´t have even an idea because of what Citananda started his smear campaign and how you are supporting him in that foolishly and embarrassingly. Once you will bite your own tongue when you learn motives and whole backround of Citananda´s campaign.
    Petr

    (only for Peter about translation) Snažila jsem se neposunout význam, ale nejsem překladatel, pokud je podle Tebe něco nepřesně, dej vědět. Doufám, že na překlad druhého vzkazu budu mít čas večer.

    Next Peter´s message from 2:53 I will try to translate in the evening, hope to have a time for it. Chava
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] May 2011
    Posts: 0
    To Chava

    Moc děkuji za tvůj překlad a předem i za ten druhý. Vystihuje to, jak jsem to napsal. Jsem rád za tvoji nestrannost a pomoc. Pokud tady má být plnohodnotná diskuze, tak ať otevřeně zazní všechny názory i když se třeba někomu "nehodí". Jsem dlouholetým žákem. Jak jsem psal, byl jsem i v Indii, něco jsem už v YIDL prožil a to i v těsné blízkosti. Nemám zájem na tom, abych někomu stranil. Pro mě je také životně důležitý pravdivý stav věcí. Určitě také nejsem žádnou zmanipulovanou ovcí - řidím se svou intuicí, pozorováním okolí i souvislostí. Nějakých podobných náznaků "zneužívání" nebo řečí o tom bych si dávno všiml. Mám poměrne dobrý přístup k informacím. Myslím, že pozadí kampaně bude brzy vyjeveno. Já nemám právo předbíhat, to bych sdělil už v prvním dopise, vše má svůj čas. Jen je mi líto těch, kteří se do toho nechají bez svého náhledu tolik vtáhnout a věří každému zprostředkovanému "svědectví". Jsem si jist, že budoucnost vše ve správný čas a vhodným způsobem odhalí...

    Pokud budeš mít čas a chuť přeložit i tohle, tak budu taky moc rád.
    Petr
  • falseswamijifalseswamiji May 2011
    Posts: 255
    Petr, please don't be lazy and before posting a comment find somebody from YIDL to translate it into english- this way you just make mess . Chava and roman , don't bother to translate Peters nonsense- if he has no time to translate it why should you waste your energy on such a crap?

    Just to clear things once again- Chidananda has literarly NOTHING to do with sw-mah-abuse.com site . So Petr and ann and others, please sto jumping into completely wrong conclusions. It just holds no water, 'it is completely false, and there's no truth in it' :P

    Sorry that you belief system is based upon such a completely non existing facts, but that is a fact. I wander how can you be so sure of yourself when at the same time I simply KNOW your guessings are all WRONG.
    grow up guys
  • SunYaC May 2011
    Posts: 41
    ann, can you please explain what money and power can someone gain from simply revealing uncomfortable truth about just another swami who failed to control his senses?

    Such things are going on for decades. Actually there are lots of such false swamis in India and many of them have come to the west too.

    Modern Indian religious culture is overrun by all manner of whimsical, distorted, and imaginary beliefs and rituals. So-called yogis, swamis, gurus, babas, incarnations, miracle workers, fakirs and countless other "godmen" teach all varieties of questionable theories, instructing their followers in everything - except real surrender to the Supreme Lord. And they also go to the West. These so called sadhus collect many followers by their personal charisma and by teaching attractive but cheap and watered down philosophy suitable for masses often combined with hatha-yoga practices. They can have even some siddhis and mystical powers, you can feel energy vibrations in their presence... But still they cannot control their senses completely. The problem arises when they pretend they can. Then sooner or later their position and influence finally catches them up and truth about their actual spiritual "advancement" and "renunciation" comes to light. Maya is very powerful. All those devoted beautiful young female disciples lie at their feet willing to give them everything... And such false swamis can't resist the temptation, because they are not completely self realized and God conscious. They simply cannot be, because they neither follow nor teach the genuine spiritual process prescribed by sastra.

    Yes, it's about money and power, as you mentioned. They start shaking hands with politics, people applaud them for their welfare work, masses of people follow them, and so on... Real sadhu doesn't get entangled in such worldly affairs. But these cheaters are interested in their own fame and position. They entertain their followers with many stories but hardly care to give them real instructions for spiritual advancement and to teach them real philosophy about self realization according to Vedic scriptures. They are not strict with their disciples and more or less let them do as they please. Expert showman, they entice people with talks of devotion. But factually both they and their disciples are attracted to material life. People are easily misled by them, because such "spiritual masters" tell the disciples what they want to hear. They give them material boons and blessing and thus preserve their followers in material world.

    But intelligent people who are seriously interested in spiritual life should search out genuine sadhu whose instructions will actually help them become purified and free first from their material attachments and then also from the cycle of births and deaths. Such bona fide spiritual master must come in genuine authorized disciplic succession starting at the Supreme Lord Himself, must follow and teach the scriptural instructions and also live according to what he teaches. Although swami swAmi teaches hatha-yoga he doesn't even do the exercises himself. He "just meditates, because he doesn't need the exercise anymore" as I heard from him. And in all honesty he really doesn't look like ascetic yogi who renounced the sense enjoyment. His big belly is at the first sight very suspicious thing which truly nicely symbolizes his inability to renounce the worldly pleasures... Real guru must himself do what he teaches. This actually makes him guru. He must give the example to his disciples by his very life. Not only sweet talks but his own everyday practice of his teachings must be there. That is guru.

    People who accepted false "gurus" are often affraid to give them up, fearing retribution, bad karma and so on.. but they need not to worry. The scriptural warning against leaving one's spiritual master does not apply in the case of bogus gurus, and this is stated in the scripture itself.
  • joyriver May 2011
    Posts: 101
    Well, Ann. I just can not shut up to these! You say gossip. But I know that if you are inforemd about abuse or even suspect abuse is happenbing, you have to report. Or else, you turn out to be cooperating with the abuser. it could never ever come to my mind to shut the mouth to somebody who tells or reports about abuse. The only thing that would come to my mind, would be to investigate and inform tha authorities.
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] May 2011
    Posts: 0
    dear sunyac,
    until now i did not get any written official confirmation or video or audio presenations about what you are mentioning, so i can conclude that it is just gossip
    pls sent me the concrete evidence based material and that i can react in the way which you are requesting me

    until now i can just tell you what you do not want to see and hear
    i can just tell you the divine experiences which i had with my master, the terrible experience which i pass trough with big huge efforts and for this i am very very proud that i remain by swAmi, because after 12 yaers of hard tapasya i received blessing guru kripa which is indescribable

    sorry that you did not had such experience with your guru or you may be do not have one, i suggest you to find someone suitable for you, i meet one american yogi 20 years ago and may be he is still alive, his name is sherwood, you can try to find him and get his teaching, he is also amazing powerful being, take care

    all legend all ancient scriptures speaks about the sages even the recent best sellers have the same topic

    pls believe it, it has sense to have a guru but of course you have to be first able to accept him and even you are able to accept him, you have to follow his teaching to get his mercy as the scriptures say

    if you would like or not to understand this, this it is like this
    take time to understand do not worry it will come
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] May 2011
    Posts: 0
    dear falseswamiji,

    i can completlly understand you that cici has no any connection with abuse site.
    can you pls explain me what nika was doing few weeks in december by cici in novi sad?
  • SunYaC May 2011
    Posts: 41
    ann, yes, sincere seeker finally finds the right path. If he prays and asks Him then the Supreme Lord will provide help and guidance. If one sincerely desires to make real spiritual progress, then the genuine spiritual master appears. I already have a bona fide guru who himself follows what he teaches :) But before I was part of YIDL too. For seven or eight years very strict sadhana. And I must admit it took me several another years to overcome the attachment to swAmi swAmi. He's really skilful enchanter. As you mention, his follower can have divine experiences. I also had some. swAmi has certain mystical powers. But he can't give you liberation from this material world. He really can't because he doesn't have it himself, since he doesn't follow and teach the bona fide spiritual process for getting free from this material world recommended by Vedic scriptures for this age, Kali-yuga. This I know 100% sure.
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] May 2011
    Posts: 0
    dear joyriver,
    nika is 35 years old already, she is married more that 4 years, this means is an adult person and she could explain at least to her moter or to her housband about this abuse but until cicis statement she did not tell to them.

    her housband is a psychotherapist and in so many years with her he was not able to realized that she has such a big psychic /mental or physical problem.

    there are some strange facts which for one who is not falling on the first ball is not acceptable
    try to be serious

  • joyriver May 2011
    Posts: 101
    And well, Ann, those divine feelings you feel sitting next to your guru? I feel divine in the presence of my love partner. The child feels divine in the presence of his mother. I also feel divine building my life anew now.
    Maybe you should try a loving relationship with a normal guy and not be so much in love with your guru. It would help, I suppose.
    Well, I do not trust you are telling the truth. If Nika told you, and you pretend what she tells is not true... I'm sorry. I do not turn my back to a friend like that. And you don't sound honest to me.
  • joyriver May 2011
    Posts: 101
    And, Ann, you seem to have a lot of problems and complexes around sex, as you keep mentioning...
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] May 2011
    Posts: 0
    dear sunyac,

    pls at least be honest by writing, to write 100% sure for some other person is just
    childish
    you are even not 100% sure that you will be faithful to your partner this night
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] May 2011
    Posts: 0
    Hello everybody!

    Hope you'll understand me, because I'm not an expert in english :). I'm reading this posts for some time now, trying to make my oppinion and I must admit, I'm quite confused. So I will just share my feelings here. I haven't been long a disciple of swAmi, maybe that's why I'm more open trying to understand what's happening nowadays in YIDL. But I can smell that something is not right here. I just feel it.
    I spoke to my friend about this »rumors« yesterday. And he asked me: »Do you really believe in this gossip?« and then he tried to explain it with the Chidanand's conspiracy theory. I think I will never come to an end in this discussion with him. I believe where's a smoke, there's a fire too. And every gossip has a beginning somewhere. There's a good reason why all this is happening now. Actually I can imagine every story that was told here happening in reality - swAmi sleeping with his female disciples … it makes me sick when I picture all that in my head. I don't know how I'd react if that happened to me. That orange dress that he wears used to be so inspiring ... but now it looks like it was always just an image. And I also think that if he is really inocent and genuine he shouldn't be afraid of conspiracy or what ever. I'm just saying I'm not here to judge but it's time for me to observe to read and listen to my inner self. Like Durchanand said – we should be listening to our inner Guru. Being neutral in this case is the best for me. I know that the truth will come out soon. That is how I feel this days.
    Take care … :)


    Bina
  • joyriver May 2011
    Posts: 101
    I belive the whole story is not about Nika... There are many more Nikas than one could immagine. And they shared their stories. So what's the point about this Nika, anyway? Ann?
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] May 2011
    Posts: 0
    yes i can accept that you are jealous
    that i have divine feelings near my master
    that i had guru kripa which you did not get
    but one day will come also for you i will pray for that
  • joyriver May 2011
    Posts: 101
    Kripa... I am not jelous.
    how come you deduce things about me that I did not even mention and you don't even know me?
  • joyriver May 2011
    Posts: 101
    Are you making up stories just to tease people? Is that why you joined this discussion?
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] May 2011
    Posts: 0
    dear joyriver,

    i will pray for you that also your joy will follow and that you will aslo get guru kripa
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] May 2011
    Posts: 0
    nikas name and of her mother is on the abuse page

    i am just reading what you are writing
  • Durchanand May 2011
    Posts: 74
    when we have given enough attention to someone then it is sometimes best to just ignore that one for some time - means we need to give them time to think and then show us that they have really reflected the material. says my antaryami guru :-)
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