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  • batawebatawe July 2011
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    youtube satsang, right PallasAthene?;)

  • PallasAthene July 2011
    Posts: 246
    Quite right, batawe. Thanks for your wonderful input. God is a DJ. You know him very well in all his colours. :)))
  • batawebatawe July 2011
    Posts: 409
    ;))), thank you too;)
  • batawebatawe July 2011
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  • batawebatawe July 2011
    Posts: 409
    quote from above article: Damage to Your Ability to Bond
    Many spiritual teachers whine continually about "attachments." Decoded, this is an attack on your attachment or bonding to anything or anyone other than the teacher.

    This is actually a brilliant stratagem, because if a guru can get his followers to become alienated from their families and non-cult friends, they will become more and more dependent upon the guru and his circle. The term "detached" is beginning to come into popular American idiom associated with spirituality.

    Another damaging aspect of meditation teachers is that they do not have peer relationships. No one is their equal. This is true of many workshop leaders and spiritual leaders: they have one or two people "above" them, that they bow down to. Then everyone else is supposed to bow down to them. In the modern West, our whole experiment is with equality, and Asian systems and attitudes can poison us on deep levels, because they pretend to be deep truths.


    If we speak about attachment it is more or less a loose term meaning many things but most of the time attachment to the person, possessions, status etc...as if they are somehow negative in some sort of way that's why "we need to renounce"; but this is just plain and simplified generalization that even today's great teachings preach but it sounds old and used and boring; it would be better to focus on inner renunciation if anything else, if that makes at least some bigger sense then this outer renunciation, but these words also sound 'archaic'; it would probably be better to speak about identification, like in Gurdjieff's 4th way etc...

    in any case the closed group of people gathering around one Person/Guru can become dangerous and cultish if your whole life begins to revolve around it, but it may suit some of the people who have the same 'mental mapping' and not to hundreds of people, that's why I think the guru cannot have many disciples, as different profiles of people can only suffer on the long run, trying to map themselves to the guru's mould, his ideas and actions.

    Interesting thing about the peers; guru doesn't have many peers in his own cirlces, maybe other peers and maharaja's or mahants from different schools or lodges, but sheep remain devoted to their chosen herdsman; the hierarchy more or less ends with the guru who is 'above' the disciples; guru only bows to his master in the guru-chain; the aristocracy of gurus is thus maintained and servants are ready to follow....

    and the mentioned Asian systems (which definitely may not work for us non-asians) are very much similar to the authoritarian and totalitarian systems where a whole nation gives praise to the one person who's image/picture/statue hangs everywhere around etc...on the level of visual imagery/fetishism, it looks pretty the same to the mentioned regimes...not to mention the parades or processions of disciples wearing the same dresses and waving with flags etc., it's pure ideology...like we worshipped Tito in ex-Yugoslavia...

    Guru is like 'god', like all totalitarian leaders and this structure cannot hold no real future, maybe in asian countries. Stalin was probably asian in his previous life.;)

    Even today when you see somewhere some old picture of some founder or a person who represented something, like in schools or other institutions, they look strange and weird, almost intimidating and imagine that you visit a hospital or school and in every corner you see the face of the founder looking at you all the time, it's just bizarre; and in India in ashrams or other buildings you can see the omnipresent pictures hanging in every corner; I guess it's for the feeling of protection and non-forgetfulness of where you are and why are you there...

    praise the idols and worship...
  • batawebatawe July 2011
    Posts: 409
    quote from article: Many of the best, most brillant and articulate teachers working in the West are from Hindu and Buddhist lineages, and even when they are talking to women who have families, they tend to use language and techniques that were designed only for monks, such as: detachment, renunciation, silencing the mind. These attitudes are harmful to people who are not monks, because they injure one's ability to be intimate with another human being. You can see how monks need to learn techniques for killing off their sexual desire and creating distance, so they don't become too intimate with the monk in the next cell. But men and women who are married should no more internalize these attitudes than they should inject themselves with chemotherapy toxins.

    It is very strange that such brilliant people have little sense of how to talk to the people who are actually there in front of them. Just because recluses and renunciates by definition have a sour grapes attitude toward the world, does not mean this is a universal truth. In fact, cultivating monk-like disgust toward bodies, the senses, sensual enjoyment, is very damaging to non-monks. It's like studying cooking with someone with an eating disorder, who conveys a conflicted, problem-laden attitude toward food with every look and word.
  • batawebatawe July 2011
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    Scientology: Full Jason Beghe Interview:
  • batawebatawe July 2011
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    crazy stuff:
  • mangal July 2011
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    Batawe wrote important things-a lot of from xxx teaching is originally writen for monks. Therefore, despite of this, that xxx tryed to cover it with some beautifull words (originally from modern psychology...) his teaching can lead towards family or social problems (as in every cults) He cannot delete the core (for monk core) And he knows it, but without this core the whole teaching lost his magic attraction and become common psychoterapy. But this dichotomy in his teaching lead to the problems which a lot of his sadhakas have. The resolution of this dichotomy is : find yoga partner, not have kusangs (forget your old friends...) have yoga family and so on-as in other cults-i dont know just one family, where husband isnt yogi and all members of such family are satisfied....but i know a lot of families, where wife is yogi and husband nonyogi is "out"
    I think, that this dichotomy-origin and modern cover is trap even for XXX. And this problem in his teaching brings a lot of young womans on the way of loneliness..........so pitty-but our monks (sadhus and sadhvis) dont give the better impresions ..........where is the proof of beneficial effect of such teaching?
  • falseswamijifalseswamiji July 2011
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    truth about maharsihi
  • July 2011
    Posts: 0
    dry wester intelect does not lead to highest self-relization
    but just to ego trip as can be seen here
  • mangal July 2011
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    Reply to @lun: and east intelect (this one what you choose from more possible east intelects) leads toward fairytales fanclubmembering:) After death you will see-bhakta of Jackson will be one with him and bhaktas like you will be one with your darling and bhaktas of good wine will be one with good wine, isnt it? :) You are funny, nice to speak with you-but i must say i dont believe, that you mean it-there is no person like this-maybe 13 years old fans (bhaktas) of Britney Spears:)
  • July 2011
    Posts: 0
    yes of course all what you said is truth in your mind
    but pls remember that bilions of people in this word exsist and bilions of truth exsist
    do not push your mind to others
  • mangal July 2011
    Posts: 489
    Reply to @lun: sorry, but dialog is part of (western) soul. Just indian Masters with weak selfconfidence dont like to argument-they just say-it is so When i speak with you-i dont want to push my truth into your brain-for this is other specialist-XXX. But if someone write like Britney Spears fan-i just write, that this person write like this. Nothing against you-i just describe situation-of course, from my point of wiew-i am not absolut knower-but XXX also
  • NoviSadCalling July 2011
    Posts: 175
    Reply to @lun:

    Bilions of thruth? Are you opposing your masters' words? More than once he said that thruth is only one.
  • July 2011
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    if you were disapointed in yoga this does not mean that the others are also and that this yidl is not good
    it means that for you was not good but for others is good, understand?
    it is just one in comparison with many others followers
  • mangal July 2011
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    Reply to @lun: I am satisfied with yoga path-but i am not satisfied with totalitarism, puppeteering by XXX, becaming more and more
    childish feeded by fairytales from mythology and so on.....that is all. And of course. i am fed up with puppets, who constantly says-girls are mad, comanded by cici and so on-just childish method to get away from cognitive dissonance......be adult, not childish puppet, who desperately wait for commands of puppeteer.......and i say to you-i am vegetarian, practising kriya and meditation, thinking about Mahaprabhuji, helping others-as before-only change:i am fed up with fairytales, ostrich politics of yidl, megalomany, feudalism and coward behaviour of XXX. Thats all
  • July 2011
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    why i should trought away 20 years of my belive and sadhana and own experience just why few frustrated ladies got their 5 minutes?
    is my reality less then their?
    are my experience with gurudev less than their?
  • NoviSadCalling July 2011
    Posts: 175
    Reply to @lun:

    "fustrated ladies"??? "your reality" ???
    Were you also being raped by your MasterOfOrangePuppets? I doubt so. Well, these "frustrated ladies" have such experience with your Puppeteer.

    I would expect a bit more empathy from someone so 'spiritually developed'.
  • someonefromhungary July 2011
    Posts: 334
    Reply to @lun:
    dear lun,

    you dont have to throw away your sadhana and experience. but you may have to throw away certain beliefs or maybe certain practices too. but that's not obligatory either. everything is up to you.

    and your reality is not less and not more than anyone else's.
    and in fact, as long as your reality is that a few of the 7 billion frustrated people have their 5 minutes or 5 months or 5 years, or... and swAmi is still gurudev for you, then that's it. we can say whatever we say, it will always be up to you what you integrate in your reality.

    and your experiences with swAmi are again not less and not more than theirs or other ex-disciples', just different. yours do not seem to include negative or seriously negative experiences. but I'm almost sure we all had lots of positive experinces as well. but all those positive experinces are unfortunately not enough to rectify the wrongs...

    you can save my life but if in the next moment you kill another person I will not act as if nothing happened and become your accomplice out of gratitude to you for saving my life.

    I respect you for the very fact that no matter what, you are at least here, reading and writing this forum and are open to discussions. I think this could be very painful for you to hear people speaking about swAmi and yidl these ways. and your questions indicate to me, that even though you would very much like to go on with your life with yidl and swAmi, you stopped and you are thinking hard now, trying to use your own viveka.

    all the best to you,
    sfh
  • batawebatawe July 2011
    Posts: 409
    here is the documentary "David wants to fly"; it was later disabled on ARTE, now on you tube:
  • truthseeker July 2011
    Posts: 541
    Reply to @batawe: Nithyananda has copied the so called 'flying' or 'hopping' from TM, but he couldn't let a journalist meditate. This is really crazy stuff. I wonder when swAmi will start praising Nithyananda like he did with Sai Baba.

    http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/nithayanandas-flop-show-where-nobody-levitated/205230?sp
  • July 2011
    Posts: 0
    according your fresh philosophy we should now consider that the guru is not the guru any more
    afetr 20 years of practising yoga holy balkan ex swami chidanand realized that his belowed guru is not any more the guru
    but now he prefers the guru sister and enjoy with her not any more tapasya but making children deals
  • mangal July 2011
    Posts: 489
    Reply to @lun: becose he has real love to real person-not like someone.....imagination instead of real love...no problem with it.
  • VeritasVeritas July 2011
    Posts: 218
    Reply to @lun:
    Why are you so obsessed with Chidanand? This is not about him, just get that in your head please.
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] July 2011
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    Reply to @Veritas:
    o, how surprised you will be one day...yes he is not all , but he was and is founder of this sh.. and acusation...He used girls story for his aim, after some more biter angry people came in...he is your founder that is the truth, I am sorry for you when you will realize this and how and why...you don’t realize that even now he is fighting in such dirty way like fake e-mail address…but it not only him that sure
    don't think that we are all stupid and naiv
  • VeritasVeritas July 2011
    Posts: 218
    Reply to @storymaker:
    WHO is the founder of this sh't? Your beloved master is the founder of this sh't!
    You'd better get that in your head.
  • NoviSadCalling July 2011
    Posts: 175
    Reply to @storymaker:

    Please, for your own benefit, seek for a professional help. Paranoid delusions are something that should not be left untreated. Sorry, mate, this is how things stand.
  • %5BDeleted+User%5D[Deleted User] July 2011
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    Reply to @NoviSadCalling:
    I know that you know the best about paranoid delusions my dear
    And I will go if you tell me why did you do that with fake mail
  • someonefromhungary July 2011
    Posts: 334
    Reply to @storymaker:
    if you know what we would realise, could you please tell us? I really wish to hear what you are hinting at. I have almost no more news about chidanand and from serbia than what we can all read on this forum.

    yet for many of us the case is that even if chidanand and every woman admitted to have lied, it wouldn't change our decision to be out of discipleship/membership. at least as regards me, my decision was based on how swAmi and yidl acted in the past months. and many things that I accepted although not liked before now seem to have been just tips of an iceberg and many of those iceberg tips also seem to support the assumption that indeed there have been various abuses.
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